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April 18, 2015, 08:56 PM #0

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i know the car could use some things, some of which would probably fail a safety at some larger shops, just wondering if anyone has any suggestions for a good place that may be able to help out here.

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    April 19, 2015, 08:46 AM #1

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    no, not at all. and i dont really see how that would be assumed (guy who negged me..), if you have ever had experience with both big name and small town shops you would know some things that may pass at one may not at others. i expected the negative responses but if anyone would like to chime in with a suggestion it would be appreciated thanks.

      April 19, 2015, 11:57 AM #3

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      Correct me if I'm wrong but if you fail a safety. Get the appropriate repairs. Bring the car back to the same mechanic that failed you, there is no extra fee?

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        i think re inspection is like $15, only trying to do this because they are parts i want to upgrade soon anyway and they really are not that bad

          April 19, 2015, 12:53 PM #5

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          Does you car pass according to: https://www.mpi.mb.ca/en/PDFs/VSIHandbook.pdf

          If so, just argue with the shop to pass it or threaten to complain to MPI about them.

          If not, your car should not be passing a safety and you are (in fact) looking for a "paid safety", which is not legal.

          Some of the stuff is really pedantic, but for the most part you should be addressing all things on the list, and if the car is genuinely safe you should have no problem getting it done.
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            Reinspection by the same shop is free
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              take it to any small shop vs a dealership. if it wont pass is a small shop then it's not safe and should be fixed before it's allowed to be on the road again. do you know what needs to be fixed? Why not fix it first and then take it in for a safety?
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                April 19, 2015, 05:13 PM #8

                Dan

                 Most shops will allow for a mock up safety.  It doesn't go against the record of the vehicle but you're basically just trying to find out what it needs.  Typically they charge 1hr@hourly rate to do this.  Is this legal? I cant tell you that because i don't know.

                Typically if a shop fails a legitimate safety on a car, it cannot be re-registered until its been fixed. They actually have to send in the papers to MPI so they get paid to do the safety and it does go against the record of the car. (pls correct if wrong, this is what happened to me a long long time ago)

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                  I'm relatively new to Winnipeg (from Australia) and was going to ask the same question. While I understand that a car needs to be safe, some mechanics out there are unscrupulous and plain opportunists, especially when it comes to unwary consumers. If anyone can recommend a "reasonable" reputable safety place, feel free to reply or PM.

                  Also, where are the best places in Winnipeg to buys parts (price wise) and (range for aftermarket/import type merchandise/bling bits)?

                  Thanks in advance.

                    April 20, 2015, 05:33 PM #10

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                    Originally posted by Phantom 33
                    I'm relatively new to Winnipeg (from Australia) and was going to ask the same question. While I understand that a car needs to be safe, some mechanics out there are unscrupulous and plain opportunists, especially when it comes to unwary consumers. If anyone can recommend a "reasonable" reputable safety place, feel free to reply or PM.

                    Also, where are the best places in Winnipeg to buys parts (price wise) and (range for aftermarket/import type merchandise/bling bits)?

                    Thanks in advance.

                    You can take your car to a shop to get the safety done and are under no obligation to get the work done there. You can do it yourself or pay another shop.


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                      Originally posted by Time Lord
                      You can take your car to a shop to get the safety done and are under no obligation to get the work done there. You can do it yourself or pay another shop.



                      Thou if you get a shop like that, that does fail you, you can't move the car unless its towed... (around 80$) So finding a shop you trust is always good!

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                        Originally posted by whiteout
                        Thou if you get a shop like that, that does fail you, you can't move the car unless its towed... (around 80$) So finding a shop you trust is always good!

                        I learnt this the hard way back home. Did my yearly safety with what I thought was a good workshop and was told I needed new rear shocks and new seat belt retractor for an 88 Escort Turbo. Once he entered it into the system, I had no choice but to clear it. I had another mechanic order new shocks and pull the old ones and he told me they were perfectly fine. I had been screwed over. Trying to prevent this from happening again. If anyone has a recommendation, let us know. Thanks.

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                          My understanding is that a car can fail a safety with a variety of issues and still drive out of the shop as long as nothing is deemed a severe safety issue. Those issues (unless I'm mistaken) are outlined in the VSI pdf I linked earlier under "out of service".

                          Coles notes:
                           - If you have not tried actually doing the inpection yourself...you'd be surprised how easy most of the things are to check. Popping off the wheels and check: boots, brake hoses (and leaking joints/lines), brake rotor/pads, fuel lines, exhaust and for any serious rust. That should get you most of the way through anything "out of service"
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                            Originally posted by whiteout
                            Thou if you get a shop like that, that does fail you, you can't move the car unless its towed... (around 80$) So finding a shop you trust is always good!

                            This is not true.  You can't get a temp permit on a vehicle that has failed and not subsequently passed a safety, but it's not like it voids your insurance on the spot if you fail.  Unless it's something that makes the vehicle unsafe to operate, you can still drive it home, drive it to work the next day, and fix it at your leisure, and bring it back within the time allotted to be reinspected.
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                              you could also bring your car in for a safety check- most small shops do this
                              basically they perform and charge you for a safety inspection but it is off the books, which gives you time to get needed repairs done without having it fail.
                              safety check or a pre-safety inspection is what a lot of places will call an inspection like that.

                              It is by no means a fake safety or a crooked safety, it's just an inspection that'll let you know what will fail when a safety is being done. lets the car still be mobile to get repairs needed.

                              edit:  obviously within reason the mechanic will let you drive away, if your car is undoubtedly unsafe for use then any licensed mechanic can pull it off of the road, in the end it is their license on the line if they do a "safety" vs a real safety
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                                Originally posted by IanB
                                You can't get a temp permit on a vehicle that has failed and not subsequently passed a safety, but it's not like it voids your insurance on the spot if you fail.

                                Are you sure about that? I've gotten temp permits for years, even back when only MPI could issue them and every time they say it's void once it fails a safety.

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                                  Originally posted by Darkness
                                  Are you sure about that? I've gotten temp permits for years, even back when only MPI could issue them and every time they say it's void once it fails a safety.

                                  I've never been told that, and don't believe it to be the case.  I've been asked when getting a temp permit if the vehicle has failed a safety inspection, but that's it.  How can you be expected to have repairs carried out and return for a re-inspection if a failure for any reason = automatic cancellation of the permit?
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                                    Originally posted by DonR
                                    you could also bring your car in for a safety check- most small shops do this
                                    basically they perform and charge you for a safety inspection but it is off the books, which gives you time to get needed repairs done without having it fail.
                                    safety check or a pre-safety inspection is what a lot of places will call an inspection like that.

                                    It is by no means a fake safety or a crooked safety, it's just an inspection that'll let you know what will fail when a safety is being done. lets the car still be mobile to get repairs needed.

                                    edit:  obviously within reason the mechanic will let you drive away, if your car is undoubtedly unsafe for use then any licensed mechanic can pull it off of the road, in the end it is their license on the line if they do a "safety" vs a real safety

                                    Awesome suggestion Don. Thanks for this one. Will do exactly that so I don't get any nasty surprises. I'm slowly working thru the car to fix the most obvious issues.

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                                      Originally posted by DonR
                                      you could also bring your car in for a safety check- most small shops do this
                                      basically they perform and charge you for a safety inspection but it is off the books, which gives you time to get needed repairs done without having it fail.
                                      safety check or a pre-safety inspection is what a lot of places will call an inspection like that.

                                      It is by no means a fake safety or a crooked safety, it's just an inspection that'll let you know what will fail when a safety is being done. lets the car still be mobile to get repairs needed.

                                      edit:  obviously within reason the mechanic will let you drive away, if your car is undoubtedly unsafe for use then any licensed mechanic can pull it off of the road, in the end it is their license on the line if they do a "safety" vs a real safety

                                      this is what I do when I have a car thats needing a saftey, however mine usually always pass first time around. I usually use smaller shops that are very busy, the slower the shop the more they nitpick and try and find/make work. If the shop is busy they are going to give you a fair inspection more likely than not.

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                                        Originally posted by IanB
                                        This is not true.  You can't get a temp permit on a vehicle that has failed and not subsequently passed a safety, but it's not like it voids your insurance on the spot if you fail.  Unless it's something that makes the vehicle unsafe to operate, you can still drive it home, drive it to work the next day, and fix it at your leisure, and bring it back within the time allotted to be reinspected.

                                        https://www.mpi.mb.ca/en/PDFs/COIsample.pdf

                                        Read the bottom of the safety sheet.... If you take your car to a shop for a "safety inspection" and they release it to you without it passing, they are obligated to have you sign the declaration.
                                        If you drive your car on the road before it is deemed safe, your insurance is technically void.

                                        Since shops don't have to provide MPI with the document immediately, you might squeak by without any issues...
                                        I would hate to see the potential implications of an accident though, MPI gets these documents eventually.
                                        It is one thing to drive a car that potentially has some issues but it is a whole different story when you sign a government document that says the car is unsafe.

                                        That, my friends, is criminal negligence.




                                        I suggest a "pre-safety" or general inspection if you don't want to open yourself up to liability issues.

                                        Stay safe!





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                                          Originally posted by Rx7rotary
                                          https://www.mpi.mb.ca/en/PDFs/COIsample.pdf

                                          Read the bottom of the safety sheet.... If you take your car to a shop for a "safety inspection" and they release it to you without it passing, they are obligated to have you sign the declaration.
                                          If you drive your car on the road before it is deemed safe, your insurance is technically void.

                                          Since shops don't have to provide MPI with the document immediately, you might squeak by without any issues...
                                          I would hate to see the potential implications of an accident though, MPI gets these documents eventually.
                                          It is one thing to drive a car that potentially has some issues but it is a whole different story when you sign a government document that says the car is unsafe.

                                          That, my friends, is criminal negligence.


                                          I suggest a "pre-safety" or general inspection if you don't want to open yourself up to liability issues.

                                          Stay safe!

                                          Interesting, but is any public road considered a "highway" in this context, or just what is commonly referred to as a highway where there's a speed limit in excess of 90km/h?  I've had cars fail, and I've never been asked to sign anything until the vehicle passed the safety.

                                          Thanks for posting the link all the same.


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                                            From the MB Highway Traffic Act:

                                            "highway"
                                            means any place or way, including any structure forming part thereof, which or any part of which the public is ordinarily entitled or permitted to use for the passage of vehicles, with or without fee or charge therefor, and includes all the space between the boundary lines thereof; but does not include any area designed or intended, and primarily used, for the parking of vehicles and the necessary passageways thereon;

                                            LOL.. So basically a "highway" is any public roadway.

                                            MPI has cracked down of safeties in the past few years... Either the shop you took your cars to didn't work off / fill out an actual safety sheet, or they just didn't have you sign the document (which would be negligence on their part).
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                                              Originally posted by DonR
                                              you could also bring your car in for a safety check- most small shops do this
                                              basically they perform and charge you for a safety inspection but it is off the books, which gives you time to get needed repairs done without having it fail.
                                              safety check or a pre-safety inspection is what a lot of places will call an inspection like that.

                                              It is by no means a fake safety or a crooked safety, it's just an inspection that'll let you know what will fail when a safety is being done. lets the car still be mobile to get repairs needed.

                                              edit:  obviously within reason the mechanic will let you drive away, if your car is undoubtedly unsafe for use then any licensed mechanic can pull it off of the road, in the end it is their license on the line if they do a "safety" vs a real safety

                                              This is what are shop does. We call it a pre-safety, it is just letting the customer know what there car needs to pass a safety. mpi has no problem with it (they have seen the papers). and like said if the car is extermely unsafe we wont let the car leave untill it is fixed. so with the pre-safety in hand and paid you can go home and do the work yourself( but if you bring the car back with 7,000+ you will be charged for another pre-safety)   
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