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November 27, 2016, 07:26 PM #150

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Originally posted by cluelessk
Sounds like SCCA rules are going to allow some JDM cars to be classed?

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/people-have-been-asking-but-did-scca-legalize-lite-jdm-1789404984

http://cdn.growassets.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/018/370/16-fastrack-November-Solo.pdf?1477062058

We already allow JDM cars to be classed locally in the WSCC autocross series. All JDM cars are able to compete in Street Modified (SM) provided the cars follow SM rules. I have posted multiple times about this with additional information in the classing threads on TTi if you want more details please search.

Local WSCC rules are modeled after the SCCA which is based out of the states with a local amended to all JDM cars in SM. Since the States don't have the amount of JDM cars as we do (25yr import rule vs 15yr for Canada) this isn't as big an issue for them. The link you posted for the November Fastrack (monthly club newsletter with updates and upcoming or proposed rule changes) Recommended that the JDM ban in SM be amended to ONLY allow JDM cars if they are identicall to the USDM cars. Few keys points to remember:

  • - For Context changes proposed are as folows from the 2016 rulebook (page 197)

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Street Modified class (SM)
Eligible Vehicles:
All  sedans/coupes  (models  which  were  originally  equipped  with  a  mini
-mum of four seats and four factory seat belts), all FWD (front-wheel-drive)
cars,  and  pickup  trucks  (in  compliance  with  Section  3.1  using  SM  allow
-ances and minimum weight calculation)

Excluded Vehicles:
•Porsche (all)
•JDM-spec cars
•Lotus (all)
•Nissan/Datsun Z-car 2+2 (pre-1990)
•MGB GT

  • Almost no JDM car is identical to the USDM version. Any engine changes, suspension changes, brake changes would make the car ineligible.
    JDM car are still not allowed in any of the lower classes link; Street, Street Touring (ST), Street Prepared (SP)
    Unique cars like the GTR for example, are still excluded since it was never offered here.
    The rules change is only a recommended proposal, from this point SCCA members asked to provided feedback on why or why not this rule should be implemented. Again this SCCA proposal does not currently affect the local autocross classing as we already allow JDM more broadly then the proposed rules.
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    November 27, 2016, 09:25 PM #151

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    Could be specifically targeting Miatas, as they had vehicles that were identical, were used a lot in AutoX, but had many special versions in Japan that were basically cosmetic differences.
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      November 28, 2016, 12:36 PM #152

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      Originally posted by dano
      Could be specifically targeting Miatas, as they had vehicles that were identical, were used a lot in AutoX, but had many special versions in Japan that were basically cosmetic differences.
      No, incorrect.
      1. If they were specifically targeting a car they would state it.
      2. Targeting a specific car like the RHD miata would be an unfair advantage for JDM miata owners since the LHD cars have extremely poor cross weight distribution when the cars are prepared for CSP/SSM/DP classes, moving the driver on the right fixes that. That would never fly with the current membership base.
      3. The proposal States the cars must be identical, cosmetic changes are not "identical".
      Last Edit: November 28, 2016, 12:43 PM by Magner

        November 28, 2016, 02:34 PM #153

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        Originally posted by Magner
        No, incorrect.
        1. If they were specifically targeting a car they would state it.
        2. Targeting a specific car like the RHD miata would be an unfair advantage for JDM miata owners since the LHD cars have extremely poor cross weight distribution when the cars are prepared for CSP/SSM/DP classes, moving the driver on the right fixes that. That would never fly with the current membership base.
        3. The proposal States the cars must be identical, cosmetic changes are not "identical".

        I said "cosmetic changes", but I meant within the context of that article's "comfort and convenience"... when I was looking at miata's, I would browse the auctions and there would be quite a few "spec v, spec r, spec xyz" but as far as I could research, they were the same car with only comfort and convenience changes, like being a limited edition exterior / interior colour, or having optional leather seats, wood trim, etc.

        While they may not be 'targeting' miatas, I still think based on that information that is given that they appear to benefit to me...
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          December 01, 2016, 11:12 AM #154

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          These JDM cars are all the same as their US counterparts, except for some minor comfort and convenience items, right??


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