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October 27, 2016, 01:52 PM #0

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I wanna get my car undercoated asap before winter sets in. Subaru wants $500 to do it :lol: so not going there.

I recently got a couple spots fixed up at Fleet autobody and they suggested getting an oil/wax based undercoating that wont crack/is self healing.

I found Rust Check on Regent has a coat and protect service that does this for $200 but they say it should be done every year. Has anyone had this done? Does it actually need annual application? What did you think overall about the service?

Also, could anyone suggest some alternatives, and possibly a similar undercoating product (that doesn't crack if damaged) that lasts 2-3 years?

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    October 27, 2016, 02:05 PM #1

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    Ming or Ziebart?

      October 27, 2016, 03:18 PM #2

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      Originally posted by Shaun
      Ming or Ziebart?

      I've heard hit or miss with Ming but wouldn't write them off. Never heard of  Ziebart. You ever use them or know anyone who has?

        October 27, 2016, 03:52 PM #3

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        I wouldn't go to Winters, all winters do is rust vehicles. Ba dum tiss

        I've heard good things about Ming.
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          October 27, 2016, 03:54 PM #4

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            October 27, 2016, 04:18 PM #5

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            I've also heard good things about ming


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              October 27, 2016, 05:17 PM #6

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              I used to work at Ming a long time ago. They have a special bay with a hoist to do the rust proofing but they just spray everything underneath with tar.

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                Rust check works very well. It's VERY messy after each application though. It'll drip all over everything for a couple days so don't plan to park in your garage or on a driveway if you go that route.
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                  October 27, 2016, 08:46 PM #8

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                  Originally posted by themikewoo
                  I used to work at Ming a long time ago. They have a special bay with a hoist to do the rust proofing but they just spray everything underneath with tar.

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                  They showed me what they do now and they spray a ceramic coating between all your body panels to stop anything from penetrating


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                    October 27, 2016, 09:55 PM #9

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                    I have been getting mine done at Rust check for a few years now. I have a ford fusion that spent the first 3 years of its life on the east coast with all of the salt. So far underneath the car is in really good shape because of the coating. For the $200 you spend once a year it is definitely worth it. It does drip a little, but not for long. My car is there right now, and my truck is going in tomorrow to be done.

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                      Originally posted by Imprzme
                      Rust check works very well. It's VERY messy after each application though. It'll drip all over everything for a couple days so don't plan to park in your garage or on a driveway if you go that route.

                      Good to know. They did mention it dripping but I hadn't thought about it to that extent. Definitely would park on the street for a couple days. Ideally not drive much if I can either. Once the dripping stops and its fully "cured" how is it to the touch? Is it just a mess on the undercarriage or does it solidify into that rubbery feeling material?


                      Originally posted by Madbuzz41
                      They showed me what they do now and they spray a ceramic coating between all your body panels to stop anything from penetrating

                      Interesting! I've seen some ceramic coating applications and it looks really cool. I'll have to look into Ming as well.



                      Thanks for all the info everyone!

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                        Originally posted by pegcitygeek
                        Good to know. They did mention it dripping but I hadn't thought about it to that extent. Definitely would park on the street for a couple days. Ideally not drive much if I can either. Once the dripping stops and its fully "cured" how is it to the touch? Is it just a mess on the undercarriage or does it solidify into that rubbery feeling material?

                        It never really solidifies. It doesn't really mess the undercarriage either though. From what I recall it is primarily used on/in body panels(fenders, doors, 1/4 panels). I wouldn't want to use a product that solidifies as what would happen when moisure gets underneath it?
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                          October 28, 2016, 07:51 PM #12

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                          Originally posted by Imprzme
                          It never really solidifies. It doesn't really mess the undercarriage either though. From what I recall it is primarily used on/in body panels(fenders, doors, 1/4 panels). I wouldn't want to use a product that solidifies as what would happen when moisure gets underneath it?
                          in the 70s they used tar that hardened. Ive seen cars dragged out of fields after sitting for 20 years with solid floors cause of it.
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                            October 28, 2016, 08:09 PM #13

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                            I use a rubberized coating on my trucks frame. Works awesome. last longer and holds up to the elements better.

                              October 28, 2016, 08:27 PM #14

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                              Rust Check definitely makes a permanent mess of the underside of the car. It does not dry, and touching anywhere it's applied will leave you greasy.
                              Makes the car looks like it's leaking oil from everywhere. I hate working on cars that have been rust check'd. Probably the most effective rust prevention method though unless the car is brand new.
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                                Originally posted by #StreetFocus
                                I use a rubberized coating on my trucks frame. Works awesome. last longer and holds up to the elements better.

                                After talking to Ming, they use a product that lasts 2-3 years, but doesn't harden in a sense it would crack and moisture could get in. Sounds like the same rubberized, self-healing type of material.

                                Originally posted by Run Away
                                Rust Check definitely makes a permanent mess of the underside of the car. It does not dry, and touching anywhere it's applied will leave you greasy.
                                Makes the car looks like it's leaking oil from everywhere. I hate working on cars that have been rust check'd. Probably the most effective rust prevention method though unless the car is brand new.

                                That was what I was worried about with Rust Check, that and needing annual reapplication.


                                I think Ming offers a better product. It costs double, but will last longer and in the long run be a better value.

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                                    A solvent like wax & grease remover will dissolve tar based undercoatings but it does make a huuuuuuge mess.

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                                      Originally posted by pegcitygeek
                                      After talking to Ming, they use a product that lasts 2-3 years, but doesn't harden in a sense it would crack and moisture could get in. Sounds like the same rubberized, self-healing type of material.

                                      That was what I was worried about with Rust Check, that and needing annual reapplication.


                                      I think Ming offers a better product. It costs double, but will last longer and in the long run be a better value.


                                      This is what I got done at mings 2 years ago. It's been doing its job so far.

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                                        Originally posted by themikewoo
                                        Do you have coilovers? If so make sure they don't tar up the threads.

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                                        Nope, just peasant stock WRX suspension complete with rattles and clunks.


                                        Originally posted by awd_ftw
                                        This is what I got done at mings 2 years ago. It's been doing its job so far.

                                        Good to know. I'm going to see them on the 17th :)

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                                          Pictures from what a Rust Check'd vehicle looks like:





                                          Makes all the shocks look blown.


                                          Also messes with all the rubber components (bushings, spring seats, etc). Soaking rubber stuff in oil makes them swell. I've seen a bunch of ruined weatherstripping along the bottom of doors that swell and get all wavy.

                                          Of course it also collects at the bottom of the doors and hood/trunk. You can see the drips here, the oil is sort of orange in colour.



                                          So does it protect from rust? Absolutely, really well. But it makes an awful mess of the car. Really sucks to work on, would you want to change a control arm on that car?
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                                            What a mess.
                                            Good for someone who has all their work done at a shop, and doesn't work on it themselves :lol:
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                                            I'm not a fan of blowing for a long time anyways ; )


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                                              So what's the answer for someone looking to prevent rust, but doesn't want to deal with that unholy mess anytime they work on their car?  is Krown treatment better?
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                                                Originally posted by IanB
                                                So what's the answer for someone looking to prevent rust, but doesn't want to deal with that unholy mess anytime they work on their car?  is Krown treatment better?

                                                Not sure on Krown. Ming has a rubberized product that hardens in a sense that it won't come off as you work on the car, but it's still soft and won't crack. That's why I am going with them. $420 for protection for 3ish years is better than $200 annually and a mess when I wanna work on my car, IMO.

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                                                  Wow what a mess.

                                                  We use a wax based product after any type of metal work at our shop. It's  supposed to go on lightly and ends up flowing into all the seams. I've had to remove a used quarter panel and the wax seeped into the smallest openings.

                                                  Applying it heavy just makes a mess and ends up leaking whenever the car gets warm.

                                                  You can buy wax rust proofing in aerosol cans and do it yourself. You get a long hose that attaches to the can and sprays in a 360 degree pattern.

                                                  I personally haven't noticed rubberized coatings helping much unless you drive a lot of gravel. Cars aren't prepped like they are for paint so their isn't much of a mechanical bond and it'll chip.

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