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December 08, 2016, 10:48 PM #0

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Anyone have any experience with coilovers in Winnipeg winters? I'm saving for my next car and its looking like its gonna be a WRX and I wanna drive it year-round, but I also want coilvers.

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    December 09, 2016, 12:31 AM #1

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    If you buy quality coilovers and do some pre winter maintenance they will be fine. Buy cheap coils and you'll be dealing with a lot of rust.


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      December 09, 2016, 07:59 AM #2

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      What are your goals for these coilovers? Is it just for looks or are you planning on racing?

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        Swapping in your OEM suspension for winter is an option too if you want to keep the coilovers in good condition.
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          December 09, 2016, 10:37 AM #4

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          Originally posted by themikewoo
          What are your goals for these coilovers? Is it just for looks or are you planning on racing?

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          I wanna lower it to get rid if that rally height or whatever in the summer, and adjust it higher in the winter just for practicality

            December 09, 2016, 10:47 AM #5

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            Originally posted by jessetabak
            I wanna lower it to get rid if that rally height or whatever in the summer, and adjust it higher in the winter just for practicality
            Do you want that ever so cool fad of being slammed?

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              It's fine. Like any threaded part, if it corrodes or becomes built up with grit it might seize. Higher quality coil over kits usually have better coatings to prevent oxidation. Pillow ball joints are vulnerable to salty grime, so consider either rubber bushings, or just keep an eye on exposed ball joints.
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                Originally posted by themikewoo
                Do you want that ever so cool fad of being slammed?

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                Some cars come way too high stock. I lowered my Fiat a bit and people say it looks stock like it should of came that way. Then they see one not lowered and they're like holy S***


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                  Originally posted by Madbuzz41
                  Some cars come way too high stock. I lowered my Fiat a bit and people say it looks stock like it should of came that way. Then they see one not lowered and they're like holy S***


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                  Exactly ^^ I don't wanna completely slam it either

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                    Why dont you go with the sport spring route, i have Hn'Rs on my car and it rides amazing!

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                      Sounds like you arent looking for the height adjustability. But you just want Coils. Any particular reason?? Im sure you could get away with a set of Koni Yellows and some lowering Springs. No need to worry about rusting or anything. This way you still retain damping proerties and you can pair it up with whatever spring you want. If you are needing the extra clearance that comes with a coil for summers, say you are going 18x10", then perhaps that car is more of a summer only car?

                      However if you are set on coils, the KW Variant 1 is the best coil for our climate (that i can think of off the top of my head)
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                        Originally posted by Colby
                        Sounds like you arent looking for the height adjustability. But you just want Coils. Any particular reason?? Im sure you could get away with a set of Koni Yellows and some lowering Springs. No need to worry about rusting or anything. This way you still retain damping proerties and you can pair it up with whatever spring you want. If you are needing the extra clearance that comes with a coil for summers, say you are going 18x10", then perhaps that car is more of a summer only car?

                        However if you are set on coils, the KW Variant 1 is the best coil for our climate (that i can think of off the top of my head)
                        I do want the high adjustability to lower it in the summer, raise it up in the winter. I was thinking about doing a winter car-summer car thing for a little bit but I'm still in school so I rather just get one car I can drive year-round and save some money

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                          Originally posted by jessetabak
                          I do want the high adjustability to lower it in the summer, raise it up in the winter. I was thinking about doing a winter car-summer car thing for a little bit but I'm still in school so I rather just get one car I can drive year-round and save some money

                          If you're on a tight budget and have a heated garage or just do it when it's kind of warm/cold you could just go and put lowering springs on it then when it gets cold take the struts out and swap springs back in.


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                            Originally posted by jessetabak
                            I do want the high adjustability to lower it in the summer, raise it up in the winter. I was thinking about doing a winter car-summer car thing for a little bit but I'm still in school so I rather just get one car I can drive year-round and save some money
                            I drove the legacy with 3.5" of ground clearance year round with no issues. Winter mode looked just as good as summer mode. Albeit, it was AWD with decent tires.There was only about a quarter inch of fender clearance too. It wasnt "slammed" but it was flush. The only thing I did was frequent washes, generally 1-2 a week. That way I could clear out any build up of ice. Just food for thought
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                              Or don't get coilovers for your dd.

                              If you're planning on buying entry level stuff $800-$1500. The ride will probably be awful especially in the Winter.
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                                Originally posted by Madbuzz41
                                If you're on a tight budget and have a heated garage or just do it when it's kind of warm/cold you could just go and put lowering springs on it then when it gets cold take the struts out and swap springs back in.


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                                That's even more work than buying coilovers and swapping back to OEM suspension for winter..
                                Originally posted by Madbuzz41
                                I'm not a fan of blowing for a long time anyways ; )


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                                  Originally posted by jordisonjr
                                  That's even more work than buying coilovers and swapping back to OEM suspension for winter..

                                  Obviously. But he said he's in school and can't afford a winter beater which you can probably pick up for 1000-1500 and a good set of coils are around that. What I suggested would be more work but the cheapest route to save some $$$


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                                    Originally posted by jessetabak
                                    I do want the high adjustability to lower it in the summer, raise it up in the winter. I was thinking about doing a winter car-summer car thing for a little bit but I'm still in school so I rather just get one car I can drive year-round and save some money
                                    When I was your age I wanted coilovers just to say I had them but I went with a set of lowering springs and shocks. Worked great for me, it lowered the car enough to remove wheel gap and wasn't too low during the winter. However it did scrap when the ruts would be deep enough.

                                    I was also going to school too, university, college, back to university. One thing I wish I didn't do when I was growing up was spend so much money on a car I knew I was going to get rid of as soon as I got into my chosen career. I should of spent that money paying off student debt and saving for my future car.

                                    Girls. They don't give two ****s about how low you car is. They only care about if you have a car and if the interior is clean.

                                    To summarize, cars are great and fun but as a student they are mainly transportation. Once you start working full time and making money, then you will be able to get a much nicer car then you have now. Unless your parents are rich in that case adopt me.

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                                      I would also go lowering springs for your purposes. I have a set of eibachs and they are great. Got rid of wheel  gap, ride was a little more firm, and body roll decreased a little bit. Only cons are that you will need to upgrade your struts or just wait until the stock ones blow sooner, and I guess you won't have the Cred of having coilovers if that matters to you.  I'm not much older than you and sure, I could have spent over $1500 on coils but it just made sense to save the money, since I'm not tracking it, and I park my Subaru outside all winter.


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                                        Originally posted by themikewoo
                                        I was also going to school too, university, college, back to university. One thing I wish I didn't do when I was growing up was spend so much money on a car I knew I was going to get rid of as soon as I got into my chosen career. I should of spent that money paying off student debt and saving for my future car.

                                        Girls. They don't give two ****s about how low you car is. They only care about if you have a car and if the interior is clean.

                                        Unless your parents are rich in that case adopt me.


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                                        Most people have said this but coils ride harsh in winter until they are warmed up, even then it's not as nice of a ride. Unless you are going to drop 1500CAD on a set, it wont be worth it. I dont regret buying coils, but for half the price could have had an equally performing suspension with a set of Struts and Springs. After that you can spend the other $800 you just saved on sway bars, endlinks, bushings, gauges, and/or other mods that will improve the feel and performance of the car much more than being able to drop it a .5" for summer.
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                                          I've had both springs and now coilovers on my STI. After having coilovers on my old Integra I decided that I didn't want to run them on the Subaru because they were too finicky and I wanted a "set it and forget it" solution. I picked up a set of springs and ran those for 2 years. They were great but you are very limited with what you get. I needed more front camber so I purchased a set of camber plates. The springs and plates cost the same as a set of entry level coilovers.

                                          After two years I didn't like how the springs made the front sit higher than the rear so I picked up a set of coilovers to be able to level it out. I took mine out during the winter and swapped in the stock suspension to prolong the life of the coilovers.

                                          It will ultimately be up to you what you want to do. You can get a set of springs/struts and be happy with it. The car will be at a static height so you won't be able to raise it up and down during the winter/summer but you won't have to do any adjustments afterwards. You can pick up a quality set of springs and struts for about the same cost as a cheap entry level coilover, sometimes even less.

                                          If you are going with a set of coilovers you will have a lot more options. The cheaper coilovers usually won't do well in our winters and won't ride as nice as some of the other more expensive options. They are essentially made to give you that lowered/slammed effect. You can swap them out during the winter and extend their life or keep getting a new set every few years. Higher end coilovers  are usually made out of better materials and have coatings that prevent them from rusting. Ride quality will be dependent on the spring rates and if the coilover is properly valved.

                                          Since you are looking at a WRX there are a lot of options out there. Bilstein Struts and RCE Yellow/Black springs seem to be very popular and can be found used on Nasioc from time to time. IF you are interested in a coilover, a popular entry level brand would be the Fortune Auto 500s/510s, the Feal 441s, or ISC N1s. If you want a higher quality coilover then go with something like KWs, RCE Tarmacs, or Ohlins. 
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                                            On my old WRX I went with aftermarket struts and lowering springs and drove them through 3 winters without any clearance issues. I wouldn't be scared to drive a lowered car in winter, especially if it's AWD.

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                                              If you have a strut suspension, you have coilovers. What's more important than terminology is getting the right product for your needs. I agree with the others that you should at least look into a fixed height spring and damper combination for your car. There's a good chance you could even get a better performing setup for the same, or less than, a coilover kit. You might find that you don't miss the height adjustability as much as you expect. But YMMV, just some food for thought.
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                                                If you're planning to go up and down a lot, you want coil overs. That's the whole point. Makes it easy to adjust height without ripping anything out - jack, tire off, spin the collar, tire on, down.

                                                BUT you need to be aware that your also affecting your camber, toe, etc of your fixed position suspension components when you do extremes (summer/low vs winter/high).

                                                You should be getting an alignment if you do intensive changes - for best results of course. Not everyone cares about their tire patch, wear, or handling.

                                                If you go the fixed springs/strut height, then you get what you get (which as the others are saying - will work well too). If you want low, then your low all year round - unless they have adjustable perches)

                                                Other option is to have a winter setup and summer setup. Only if you have time and know how to swap out parts. Trust me it gets tedious.

                                                Personally, I ran coils summer and winter and adjusted accordingly. I just did an alignment in the spring when I was getting ready for summer. Didn't really care about my winter tires/Steelies.

                                                But Now I wanted max height for winter bc the ice blocks and snow tear up my splashguard and flex pipe.
                                                I personally use my coils summer. And swap in Oem for winter.
                                                I also swap out my bumper, side skirts, and grille for winter ones.
                                                Again, it gets tedious as you get older...




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                                                  So I had posted a question similar to yours last year - http://toptierimports.com/index.php?topic=11611.0

                                                  I went ahead and got HSD Monopro coilovers which seemed to be a really good bang for your buck buy and I am overall happy with them.


                                                  Fast forward to today I just dropped off/picked my car up from having one of the front strut top pillowball mounts snapped/came loose, I have no idea, but it sounded like death and will make you want to drive your car into a wall.

                                                  Usually you would have to contact the actual company and wait forever for replacement parts, BUT I was super lucky because I got T-boned like 2.5 months ago (not really lucky at all tbh) and mpi ordered a full set of coilovers and replaced the front one affected by the T-bone. So I end up calling that same shop back and telling them that there's noise coming from the area that the repairs were in and I drop it off this morning and I picked it up in the afternoon and everything was all fixed. All because mpi didn't come salvage their leftover parts. I got insanely lucky in my books that the shop just happened to have the parts I needed and did it all for free in less than a day.


                                                  I'm assuming that it broke when we had that -50 weather for a while with the god awful bumpy roads.
                                                  - My front struts have adjustable camber pillowball top mounts, my rears have rubber top mounts. You should research the difference between the two and reference that when planning to use coilovers for winter. I didn't realize that until after I purchased them.


                                                  Also since I am dumping all the information/experiences that I have to help...I raised my coils for winter, lower them for summer, takes no more than an hour or two to adjust them how you like, replacing all 4 full struts or just replacing all 4 springs seems unnecessary just for a seasons change unless you're into ripping out your struts multiple times a year, I'm not one of those guys but maybe you are. Just depends how much money vs. free time you have.




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